also forgot to mention the originial art they both had spikes on their backs

charmander and cubone

wait i did write that

This was one of the official art a long time ago.

And this was in the Anime a long time ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGIpJPyodQ (At 2:15)

So I was a little confused since day one.

yeah, but the anime sometimes conflicts with other stuff.

>>219
>yeah, but the anime always conflicts with other stuff.
fix'd

>>218
You can link direct to times, for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGIpJPyodQ#t=2m15s

Also, memorable image.
And, >>217 is a pretty big deal. I haven't looked through the Sugimori art for differences, but I know for sure there are differences in the sprites between 1st gen and current gen. But then again we have to keep in mind that the game art is an interpretation of the official Sugimori art, so,
when a conflict arises, the Sugimori art is the official source.

Now that I think about it, it may be a young Rhyhorn...

It might have originally been a Charmander, but it's obviously evolved(real life evolved, not pokemon evolve, mind you.) into a completely new pokemon.

>>222
Hmm... This reminded me of all the statues, and all Substitutes, looking like Rhydon. CONSPIRACY.

that reminded me that the substitutes in FR/LG are green. I never got wy that was.

>>234
I haven't used Substitute in FR/LG. I did in R/B, though, because I saw other people using it and really liked it..

Funny, I never used it in R/B (In fact I never knew it existed, guess just I have a lot of bad luck). But anyway on topic, I think the spin around head thing was just an anime screw up. Ultimately Cubone could be anything. Hey maybe there'll be a prequel to R/B/G/Y that explains it. I guess it could be its own species the whole time but then that would be boring. It's probably not Kanghaskahn at least.

>>237
>Hey maybe there'll be a prequel to R/B/G/Y that explains it.

DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS!
[I'd play it ... but everyone would hate it because all of the Pokémon would be Kanto/pre-Kanto in simplicity]

Charmander dies if its flame goes out.

Consider this: if you breed two Cubones, the offspring hatches wearing a skull. It obviously isn't its mother's skull, because 1. you just watched it come out of an egg with your own two eyes, and 2. the mother is in your possession, and therefor probably still alive.

My point is, there are indeed three sides: people who think it's a Kangaskhan, those who fancy it a lost Charmander, and the people who have already thought about all of this and come to the conclusion that there are too many inconsistencies for any conclusive explanation to be reached, and that it's a game and we're probably reading too much into it.

>>247
I dismiss the third outright; game or not, the creators obviously have put a lot of thought into it, and dismissing something you can't explain is the sort of thing religion was invented for, not the sort of thing a serious fandom accepts.

That aside, I personally think that the pokédex entries are/were based partly on folklore when not enough interesting real data was available; the orange islands supports me on this as well. Cubone is its own species, does not wear its mother's (or any other) skull, and the "data" that says otherwise was written by a quack who couldn't remember who *he* was half the time. End of story.

>>248
LIESSSSSS ALLLLLL HORRIBLE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>247

ALSO LIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS

besides why would they make it look like a skull. No actually I always wondered why it has a skull on its head. It just doesn't make sense. It probably at least started out as some kind of really complex thing story. But now that story is OoC. So this is pointless I guess and i dont know why im posting this cheese orange not fish green norton antivirus.


On a side note, I don't know why I posted this thing in the first place.

On another side note, >>228 this was kinda random.

It is possible for all prevailing theories to be correct. Consider:

1) There are evolved Pokémon forms that breed true. For instance, Sudowoodo normally lay Sudowoodo eggs, but Bonsly also evolves into Sudowoodo.
2) There are already branching evolution paths, and there have been since RBGY. Item-based alternate evolutions have existed since GSC.
3) Until Generation 2, people hadn't much observed Pokémon breeding/egghatching in captivity - if you recall, the discovery of Togepi's egg at the beginning of GSC was a *big deal*.

My personal speculation is that Cubone is an alternative evolution (in the Pokémon sense, not the "normal" sense as per >>226 ) of certain baby Pokémon in the Kaiju egg group, including Charmander, Kangaskub, and perhaps others, which breeds true as many baby Pokémon evolutions do. It's an item-and-level evolution, similar to King's Rock except that the item is *the skull of an adult in your species*, which usually comes from dear old mom biting the bullet. Since, even if Cubones breed true, people wouldn't have *known* that at the time of RGBY, this would be the normally understood means by which Cubones come about - hence the later confusion when eggs were implemented.

It's not a baby Kangaskhan, it's a duck.

White part is tooth.

>>285
HAH!
That's awesome.

>>285
CANNOT UNSEE

>>285
Well played. Well played indeed.

First of all, the charmander line features longer slimmer necks and tails in later evolutions, and their feet and hind legs are more lizard like when compared to cubone and marowak. Kangaskhan does have a somewhat hooked nose as well as horns and fangs, which matches the skull cubone wears. The colors are similar as well, brown with a lighter belly and white toe claws.

I always thought it was fairly obvious that cubones were baby Kangaskhans. Khangaskhan is a rare pokemon, the species being labeled as "parent pokemon" in the dex. It certainly is something that would be hunted by team rocket. Large powerful and rare, team rocket would chase groups of these pokemon into caves then ambush them, killing some in the process of capturing them. Some of the babies would fall from the pouches and escape. Growing up in a dark cave with no mother to protect them, they would adopt the ground type in order to survive. Without their mother to raise and feed them, they never would grow as large, and would evolve like any other pokemon does to better adapt to their environment. Their new lifestyle along with the skull and reliance on their bone weapons would lead to the marowak evolution. Their DNA now permanently changed, any future offspring would resemble their mutated parents.

>>298
You know, at first I thought this was a retarded topic in its entirety, but this single suggestion and its implications actually really make sense to me. Not only does it add a neat back-story to Cubone/Marowak (which makes sense both in canon and anatomy) but it also sets a precedent to explain just how they keep discovering "new" pokémon all the time.

They could really end up having been true (read: almost-Darwinian) evolutions of already known and established species that were put into situations with previously absent environmental stresses which forced them to use their natural ability as pokémon to spontaneously evolve to survive. What the primary difference is here is that while, in most cases, evolution is simply a process of the creature aging and "growing into" a stronger, more powerful body, these divergent species were forced to use their ability to evolve instead to adapt to a hostile environment for which they would otherwise be fatally unequipped.

>>299
By almost Darwinism, I assume you're referring to te theories of Lamark, which was that the parents experiences in life directly affected their offsprings physical and genetic makeup.
To this extent, I do think that Pokemon plays a lot on his theories, and it works well. The prime example being the Cubone/Kangaskhan. The distressed Cubone, which is now a "Mutation" Marowak passes on the trait of evolving into Marowak from it's own experiences.
Now, I would be impressed if it's decided in Gen V for Cubone to evolve into Kangaskhan, the whole idea of a branching evolution made from older pokemon is quite cool. A baby seed pokemon that can evolve into either Oddish or Bellsprout maybe?

If the fire on Charmander's tail goes out, it dies.

The pokedex is written by 10 year olds, don't trust it.

>>304
/thread

Also, it's totally Kangaskhan.

>>318
There are many different mis€™sing҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙҉̵̞. /theory

>>318
That's crap. I've myself seen the data structure in RBY and it's just dumb luck that the index numbers happens to align such that mis€™sing҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙ ҉̵̞̟̠̖̗̘̙҉̵̞ evolves like that. Clever, but completely wrong.

Cubone's skull is just hardened skin.

The mother of all Cubones is a being with many heads. Each head has a separate reproductive system, and only gives birth once. Each child Cubone only sees its mother head and ignores all others. Each head dies shortly after the Cubone becomes able to live on its own. Each Cubone then takes the skull of its mother head and one of its bones to use as its weapon and armor. New heads are grown by the mother of Cubones to replace the ones that die, the process repeats. This is just some random bullshit I made up on the spot, but it and your Charmander theory are at least better than that retarded Kangaskhan one.

Also, another bullshit theory I came with a while back: substitutes are related to Cubones. Shiny Cubones are the same color as Substitutes.

The truth, however, is probably that it's a video game and we're reading too much into it, breeding fucked a lot of shit up, and before you say HURR THEY PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS THEY MUST HAVE IT FIGURED OUT, it's a video game aimed at ten-year-olds, and ten-year-olds don't care about realism or not leaving things unanswered. Remember, they decided to try to fit a breeding system into a Game Boy game and that ended up with some bullshit where everthing comes from eggs. Plus it's Nintendo, for whom gameplay comes first, storyline, etc. come either second or never. See: the Legend of Zelda timeline.

Of course, it's also possible that they were going to make something realistic up, but then they decided it was funnier to watch fans like up pointlessly debate over this.

What Nona! and Claw are saying is the TRUTH!
:O
I believe....

it's easy, cubone are dead charmander cuz the flame on it's tail has extinguished.